All the Angry Atheists

Cries of “Angry Atheist” have been going around on the ol’ interwebs, lately. Only now they are being picked up by all kinds of folks. Notably, David Sloan Wilson seems to be upset that “certain atheists” (he mentions Dawkins, but then uses Hitchens as an example for some reason) believe that science is a perfectly suitable tool for getting along in the universe (not sure if religions that make the claim get a free pass or not). He makes an appeal to the “beneficial” aspects of religions. These claims usually refer to individuals feeling of belonging, good will, and such, even though these feelings are far from being any sort of a unique contribution of religion.

It most certainly does not do any harm for individuals to gather together to sing songs and join hands. To live out a piece of meaningful theater. If they were aware that that’s what they were doing. The problem is, most of them do not. And even those that do are perfectly happy letting letting others hold on to age old belief systems that do not apply to the world we live in. And that’s just plain wrong. When people hold irrational beliefs, it affects us all.

Would I handle the mild irrational beliefs of a UU member the same as the more irrational beliefs of a fundamentalist? Well, yeah. I would also treat any irrational belief an atheist had the same. I usually ask them if they really believe what they say, and why. And, perhaps, to clarify it, if it’s a belief I’m not familiar with. I probably shouldn’t go that far, but I guess that’s the angry atheist in me.

Micheal Dowd recently gave a very good example on the Infidel Guy show (paraphrased): Imagine you’re driving from Pittsburgh to Portland Oregon and your GPS hasn’t been updated for 150 years. It would most certainly make your trip a lot more difficult, full of unnecessary turns and dead ends. Since religious belief systems are usually based around the predominant understanding of the world at the time of their creation, religious institutions, and those that adhere to their beliefs, are driving with an outdated GPS. In the case of Christianity, a 2,000 year old one.

Anyone who’s understanding of the world is that out of date will be making irrational decisions in their life: voting for unqualified political candidates merely because they sell themselves as religious,  ostracizing homosexuals, holding racist views, etc. Their entire world view will be warped. And, whether their world view is peacefully warped (they keep to themselves), or violently warped (such as with suicide bombers), it is only the right thing to do to attempt to share any insight you have. We see good, beneficial governmental reform strategies continuously undermined by a religious view point of the world, and most of those people voting that way are not violent or crazy. But, their outdated mode of thinking does make a difference in the world.

PZ Myers recently put up a post about Jainism, a “peaceful” religion that never harmed no one (specifically it was about a con man that was Jain, who was trying to get the world to believe that he can survive without eating). Despite that claim of religious accommodationalists, Jains, mostly the priests, are ascetics that have been known to injure and even starve themselves to death to attain religious insight that, according to everything we’ve been able to ascertain about the world so far, simply does not exist. It’s perfectly crazy. Why do people have to pretend to respect such viewpoints? And it’s not stupid in the way the the religious practitioner is a stupid person (well, they might be, but they shouldn’t be treated as such). It’s stupid in that it’s a wrong world view that keeps being held on to and taught as “Truth” to a whole new wave of followers so that they too can get a skewed version of “what is real” imprinted into their brain. Why are we not supposed to challenge religion?

We all owe it to each other to be truthful. True, there is no need to beat on each in the process of doing it, but letting others believe that demons inhabit the world, or that dreaming of falling will kill you is just as abusive, IMO.

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10 Comments on “All the Angry Atheists”


  1. The following is an extract from a May blog post I did about “angry atheists.”

    The “angry atheist” is a myth. When I, when any atheist, expresses anger at the actions of some religionists it’s not because I am an atheist, it’s because I am a freedom loving human being enraged by the unjust acts that mindless devotion to ignorance promotes. Period. That I happen to be an atheist doesn’t make me an “angry atheist” any more than being openly angry at that injustice makes me an “angry Independent,” “angry retiree,” “angry veteran” or “angry American.”


    • I’ve been running into atheists that are falling for the “angry atheist” myth lately. It’s pretty frustrating seeing then fall for Christian propaganda. It seems to feed in to any self loathing or guilty feelings they have, though. I say, just don’t do anything you need to feel guilty about.

    • yttyty Says:

      Please suggest atheists who wouldn’t waste their time on digg’s comment section.

    • Jenelle Says:

      Please teach the rest of these internet hoglaoins how to write and research!


  2. interestingly I rec’d a hiddeous two star book review from a supposed reader just two days ago on amazon. He referred to me as “angry atheist”, himself claiming to be a non-believer.

    Its hard for me to look at people like that as anything other than Uncle Tom Atheists. But I suppose simple non-belief does not equate to being “anti-theist”.


    • I classify myself as anti-irrational thought. I think a lot of these anti-atheist atheists are people that are trying to separate rational religion from irrational religion. While it may be theoretically possible that there is a rational theism, I have of yet to run across one. There are totally passive religions, true. But, they’re still irrational and deserve critique.

  3. Hitch Says:

    The best analogy I have heard so far was the reaction to first and second wave feminists. There too some feminists were uncomfortable with the more vocal ones and called them angry and aggressive, along with the men who liked to propagate that stereotype too.

    And what I liked about whoever pointed this out, also added that it’s a good sign.

    The angry atheist is a myth not because there aren’t angry atheists, but equally angry believers do not get labeled angry.

    And what is worse are people who stand by stoically to horrifying things. So emotional makeup does actually not qualify if a reaction is good or not. Someone who gets angry over injustice is certainly morally more interesting than someone who calmly says or promotes something unjust.

    But it is meant to scare people away from expressing contentious ideas.


  4. “Well behaved women rarely make history” is a bumper sticker I’ve seen. The same can be said for well behaved atheists.

  5. fribnit Says:

    Angry? Nope not Angry.
    Fed up with the religious people telling me that I am going to hell. Why do they think that threatening me with a eternity in a place I do not believe exists will make me believe it exists?
    Fed up with the religious wrong trying to take over this country
    Fed up with the arrogance

    But not angry

    Yet

  6. Maripi Says:

    If you do not believe in god, you’re an angry atheist, if you don’t share “America’s projects”, you are anti-american, if you desagree with Israeli politics, you are an antisemite, if you don’t believe in massive inmigration, you are a right wing fanatic, if you agree with it, you are Stalin’s fan, and so on and on…just pure labels we’re force to ” believe”. I do not fall for that. I do not believe because it is not believable period.


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